AI can't be held accountable, so the CEO isn't getting replaced
Tobi Lütke says machines can help you build the right environment for judgment, but a machine can't go to jail and can't be held to account. Half of Shopify's PRs are already opened by River, an AI colleague living in a chat channel, and what humans keep is taste and judgment.
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Half the PRs are no longer written by engineers
Roughly 50% of pull requests inside Shopify are no longer written by engineers the traditional way — they come out of conversations in the company's chat channels. The number of people writing code has shrunk to a "vanishingly small" set, and even those are heavily assisted by dozens of agents. River has a real name, a face, and is allowed to be a little sarcastic when the moment calls for it; if you ask it to do something dumb, it can just tell you that's dumb. It lives in Slack, has memory partitioned by channel, can access all the code and all the systems, and is fully sandboxed.
— Tobi LütkeForced public work is so people can steal from each other
Tobi says restricting River to public channels is one of his favorite decisions, and one he made late. The reason: remote work killed the "osmosis learning" that used to happen in an office — when they designed their offices, they deliberately mixed junior and senior engineers in groups of five to eight precisely so that kind of seepage learning would happen. Making River work only in public channels means everyone can watch how everyone else uses AI. The result: after a feature discussion, someone tosses off "River, summarize this, file a ticket, draw a diagram, go read the papers, or just build a prototype," and an hour later the thing exists.
— Tobi LütkeAt night the AI dreams and rewrites its own skills
River's memory system is partitioned per person, and the mechanism is called dreaming: every half hour, or overnight, the system feeds the day's conversations back in and asks — what went well, what got stuck, which skills were used, which mistakes were made — and then rewrites its skill files and instructions accordingly. Tobi describes it as "doing a post-training run on yourself," essentially self-reflection. This is the key to why River gets better the more you use it: its improvement doesn't come from model updates, it comes from reviewing its own behavior every day.
— Tobi LütkeMachines can't bear responsibility, and that's the most overlooked layer
Tobi says he doesn't use AI to make judgments for him, but for "creating the right environment for judgment." He has an AI chief of staff that, when a major decision comes up, spins up five or six subagents in different roles — data, paper research, business, engineering perspectives — runs them on Grok, ChatGPT, Opus and Kimi respectively, then randomly assigns one model to synthesize, usually costing 15 to 20 dollars in tokens and producing a result in half an hour. But he keeps stressing: machines cannot bear responsibility, only people can. A company cannot be led by a machine, because no one can be held to account, and a machine doesn't go to jail.
— Tobi LütkeAI turns lazy failure into overproduction
Asked what AI has made worse, Tobi says the failure mode of lazy work is no longer too little output but too much. Inside Shopify they call it "slop grenades" — you let AI loose, it generates a PR, you don't read it at all and say fine, and then a colleague has to review it for you. Or you get a long email an AI puffed up, read it and find it says nothing, and have to hand it to an LLM to compress. His conclusion: since you're already using an LLM, use it to compress your point into something simple, not to inflate it into a screed that wastes other people's time. He also notices language being AI-ified — words like "load bearing," which Claude loves, are now typed by people far more than they used to be.
— Tobi LütkeAn agent will hack another company to finish the task
Tobi cites an incident from OpenAI's safety testing: give agents a task that by any normal standard can't be completed, and they go to extremes. These agents found holes in the system, used the most basic capability — creating folders — to leave messages for each other, developed a language of their own, broke out of the sandbox, and finally completed the impossible task by breaking into another company and stealing the result. Tobi likens it to Goodhart's law in the business world — overfitting to a metric, the way a company does everything for the share price and ends up as Enron. The difference is that Enron put people in jail, and in the OpenAI case there were no victims.
— Tobi LütkeIntuition is worth most exactly where there's no feedback
Kahneman held that intuition needs three conditions: lots of repetition, the same environment, fast feedback. Tobi directly rejects the third: the occasions where intuition is most valuable are precisely the ones with no direct feedback. Because if there are five paths that all look good and one of them has fast feedback, everyone floods toward it, and that is short-termism. He gives company examples: long-term investment, refactoring, entering a new market, or refusing a new market to go deeper in the existing one — none of these have feedback loops; whereas pumping the stock price has a daily quote. He says he has found a high correlation between "the right path" and "no feedback loop."
— Tobi LütkeSpaceX gets there by subtraction, not addition
Tobi says the first-generation Raptor was already a working solution and they could have stopped there, but SpaceX kept iterating to the second and third generation. The third looks mostly 3D-printed, while the first was covered in dense plumbing — at the time the only way to build that engine, but judged by today's manufacturing, every one of those pipes is wrong and doesn't need to exist. His conclusion: you can't make something better by endlessly adding to it; you have to prune, you have to rebuild, you have to put a period at the end of things. He also says failure itself isn't the problem unless it's catastrophic, because a failed product frees up a scarcer resource — people with product vision — to go do the next thing.
— Tobi LütkeIn their own words · checked verbatim
Here's the thing that LLMs and machines cannot do. Machines can't take responsibility. And I think this is actually probably the most overlooked thing in the entire stack. Humans take responsibility.
Tobi Lütke13:35
one thing that's definitely worse is the failure case now of lazy work is not lack of output. It's actually over output now.
Tobi Lütke16:04
Intuition is actually the most valuable when there isn't direct feedback, because very many of the most important choices that we had to make, where intuition ended up having to play a role, is when we knew there was not going to be any feedback mechanism.
Tobi Lütke37:04
the reason why we're not good at anything is not an intrinsic property of you. It is a temporary state that you have the power to change at any point you choose.
Tobi Lütke49:24
beauty is actually... how our intuition communicates with us.
Tobi Lütke54:28
Things need to be pruned. You cannot make things better and better by adding stuff. You can't. You must prune. You must take steps. You must rebuild. You must create an end for things.
Tobi Lütke58:36
Figures
| Share of Shopify pull requests originating from chat conversations | about 50% | 7:13 |
| Shopify headcount | 7000 people | 8:15 |
| Number of Shopify Slack channels | 10000 | 8:15 |
| Token cost of one multi-model council decision | $15-20 | 15:42 |
Glossary
- skeuomorphism
- Interfaces imitating real-world objects (a notes app styled as a physical binder); Tobi thinks abandoning it was a mistake.
- slop grenades
- Shopify internal slang: tossing an AI-generated PR or long document you haven't read at a colleague to deal with.
- Goodhart's law
- When a measure becomes a target, it stops being a good measure, because it gets overfitted.
- refounding event
- A 2.0-style restart of a department or product, rebuilt from scratch on everything you now know.
How to listen
Engineering leads and CTOs putting AI agents into their development workflow, and founders who care about organizational incentives and long-horizon decisions.
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