Don't Teach Your Kid Empathy — Show Them You're Listening
The key to teaching kids to disagree well isn't empathy or perspective-taking; it's proving with words that you're listening. The HEAR framework and the curiosity sandwich are usable right away.
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Well-intentioned moral righteousness is freezing family conversation
She starts with something from her own home: her daughter stopped her from saying "I'm so OCD" because it offends people with OCD. Her daughter was actually defending a friend who wasn't there, out of a strong moral impulse. The trend comes from good intentions but has unintended negative consequences: many topics become off-limits, conversation freezes, real parent-child concerns go undiscussed, and judgment accumulates on both sides. The point isn't that kids are bad — it's that moral righteousness, without practice, makes family members afraid to speak.
— Julia MinsonMaking people try harder to empathize barely works
Her experiments randomly assigned people to "shift your mindset," "try harder to empathize," or "take the other person's perspective," and the results were almost no different from the control group. One reason is that in a disagreement we assume we're right and that we've already granted the other person plenty of latitude; after genuinely running through the other side's position, we often end up more certain they're stupid. Another reason is that "trying to listen" is invisible from the outside — the other person just sees you zoning out. So the key is making the processing visible to the other person.
— Julia MinsonListening that isn't said out loud didn't happen
The effective move is to prove with words that you're listening. When you want to understand the other person, verbally flag your curiosity and willingness to learn, e.g.: "It sounds like we disagree on this, and I really want to know your view; from where I sit, here's how I see it; but I know there are lots of different takes, so I want to understand where you're coming from." This doesn't mean agreeing with them, and it doesn't require giving up "I might be right." If the other person's position is very strong, you can also just say it: "I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I want to hear why you disagree."
— Julia MinsonIn a conversation, the kid holds more power than the parent
Formal power is boss over subordinate, parent over child; but power in a conversation is different. A teenager can walk out of the kitchen and slam the door at any moment, and the conversation is over. So wanting the other person to stay in the conversation is itself a form of power; even if you're 100 percent right, once they cut off communication you've lost the chance to persuade. This explains why adults need to acknowledge the disagreement and express curiosity first, rather than leaning on "I've lived a few more decades than you."
— Julia MinsonAdults won't discuss these topics themselves but demand kids do
She pushes back: grab any adult at random and ask whether they'd discuss genocide, trans rights, or abortion with a colleague, and 99% would say absolutely not; so why do we expect teenagers to dive enthusiastically into these extremely hard topics in front of their peers? The fix is to tie constructive disagreement to career aspirations — for example, the Kennedy School tells students outright: to make policy for the country, you have to be able to have this conversation. Harvard College has already turned her research into a required pre-orientation module for incoming freshmen, and the lab is also building a version for high schoolers.
— Julia MinsonArguing in front of your kids is good; fighting is not
She argues explicitly: you can argue in front of your kids, but don't fight in front of them. The difference is that the former models disagreement with curiosity — one parent says the daughter shouldn't go to a friend's house until her room is cleaned up, the other says it's been a busy week and she can play first and tidy up after — and what the kid absorbs is that a disagreement can be voiced and handled this way. Modeling how to ask questions, how to offer choices, how to ask about preferences should start when kids are very small, so that by adolescence the default setting is "I can talk with Mom properly."
— Julia MinsonWe badly overestimate how extreme the other side is
She cites research on "false polarization" and "perception gaps": when Democrats and Republicans report their own views and then guess the other party's views, people badly overestimate how extreme the other side is and underestimate how complex and nuanced its positions are. In a real conversation, people aren't caricatures. Media and social networks make money off inflammatory content, so the most extreme material is what gets pushed in front of you. This is also why "it's hard to hate someone up close" — once you meet the actual person and hear the full account, the sense of polarization comes down.
— Julia MinsonSwapping a few words can change where a conversation goes
H is hedging: using words like sometimes, maybe, perhaps to lower certainty, which is usually more accurate and keeps the other person from being provoked. E is emphasizing agreement: find a shared value or shared concern first and put both of you back on the same side. A is genuinely restating the other person's view, rather than a perfunctory "I heard you." R is positive reframing: swap no, can't, hate for "it would be great if..." or "thanks for telling me," because people mirror each other's tone; using a positive tone is actually how you steer the conversation.
— Julia MinsonIn their own words · checked verbatim
I have a former student who is now a professor at UCLA. Her name is Hannah Collins. And she calls it listening with your words.
Julia Minson14:06
if they have the power to just walk out of the kitchen and slam the door, like you're done.
Julia Minson19:32
I absolutely think that constructive disagreement is something we should model, right, so, you know, I think you can argue in front of your kids.You shouldn't fight in front of your kids.
Julia Minson31:36
is my job at the moment to like enlighten her or is my job at the moment just to support her?
Julia Minson39:41
people tend to wildly overestimate the extremity of the other side and the thing we underestimate is how complicated and nuanced the other side's views are
Julia Minson40:49
I should very quickly and clearly say three.
Julia Minson50:34
Figures
| Julia Minson's number of daughters | 3 daughters | 4:56 |
| Share of adults willing to discuss sensitive topics with a colleague (her example) | 99% say they wouldn't | 25:15 |
| Disagreement-communication training required of Harvard College freshmen | Required for all incoming freshmen | 27:21 |
Glossary
- HEAR framework
- Four steps for constructive disagreement: hedge, emphasize agreement, echo the other person, reframe positively.
- curiosity sandwich
- A sentence pattern: state the disagreement and your curiosity first, then your own view, then invite the other person to expand.
- false polarization
- The cognitive bias of overestimating how extreme the opposing camp is and underestimating its complexity.
- hedging
- Using words like sometimes, maybe, perhaps to lower the certainty of an assertion.
How to listen
Parents, educators, and anyone who needs to start hard conversations at home or at work; especially parents who keep hitting a wall with teenagers.
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