US Economic Resilience Comes from Consumers Borrowing from the Future
Barkin explains why consumption stays strong despite high prices: consumers cut savings, skip bills, and delay loan payments to keep spending; AI investment is currently more about price hikes and crowding out than productivity gains; the Fed may face a long headwind.
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You can't extract forward guidance from someone who doesn't give it
Asked about Warsh's speech at Jackson Hole, Barkin said he listened carefully but explicitly refused to infer September FOMC action from it. "He himself doesn't like forward guidance, so you shouldn't look for forward guidance from someone who doesn't give it." Barkin stressed that one can discuss the economy fully but choose not to provide forward guidance. This remark also addresses the market's tendency to parse rate paths from any Fed official comment. He described the urge as "we can't help but want to know," but argued it should be restrained.
— Tom BarkinConsumers are borrowing money from the future
Barkin's observation: unlike the Great Recession, during the pandemic people accumulated large cash, stock, and home equity, and developed a "I must spend" mentality. Crucially, lower-income consumers are also "creatively finding money": shifting to Walmart and dollar stores, cutting insurance, having kids move back home, not paying summer gas bills, and letting car loans run 60 days past due instead of 120—essentially "borrowing from the future." His conclusion: as long as employment and asset markets are healthy, spending sustained by lower savings and skipped bills will continue. This micro mechanism explains the economy's "resilience" better than macro data.
— Tom BarkinData centers are crowding ordinary construction out of the building cycle
Early in the year, $700 billion in investment was announced in a single week, and transformers, switchgear, and electricians are all in short supply. Barkin believes the construction cycle is shifting from office and multifamily to data centers and industrial. Multifamily "doesn't pencil out"—not just because of rates, since rates were similarly high in 2004-05 and buildings were still going up. He acknowledged that data center construction does raise costs for other construction, creating a "chicken-and-egg" crowding-out effect, but it's hard to say precisely to what degree. This measured answer shows the real internal disagreement about the spillover effects of AI capex.
— Tom BarkinAI first affects hiring, not output
At every chamber of commerce and town hall, Barkin hears AI questions that are political: jobs, water, data centers. Economically, AI's productivity impact is still concentrated in a few replaceable scenarios like call centers, programming, and clerical work; current productivity gains come more from automation and process reengineering driven by the 2022 labor shortage. On the hiring side, employers are already using the logic of "can AI do it first, then decide whether to hire" to restrain hiring. The enthusiasm gap between firms and workers is asymmetric: bosses are proactive, employees are lukewarm. In other words, AI currently affects the economy by reducing employment demand rather than boosting output.
— Tom BarkinChoosing an inflation narrative is choosing a rate path
Barkin frames today's inflation as two readings. One is "65 months below target, no excuses," corresponding to Warsh's hawkish stance: inflation has been above target for a long time, and rates may not be tight enough. The other is "47 months up plus 18 months down": inflation emerged after the pandemic, and after rate hikes it had fallen to 2.3%-2.4% by March 2025, only to be pushed back up by AI, tariffs, and oil shocks. He explicitly says the second is "perfectly defensible," and "we will bring it back down later." Which narrative prevails determines whether the Fed keeps tightening or waits for shocks to fade.
— Tom BarkinTariffs are now a stimulus because refunds have arrived
The tariff topic is quieter than six months ago, not because trade is less important, but because refunds have arrived after the Supreme Court ruling. Barkin said that over the past three to four months, companies have been receiving refunds rather than paying extra tariffs. Steel and aluminum producers benefit from tariffs as a "price umbrella"; foreign manufacturers that ship European parts to the US for assembly are instead hurt by tariffs. Refunds are "very positive" for corporate profits, and companies use them for marketing, store renovations, and maintaining hiring, so they have a stimulative effect, but the pass-through to prices is "very targeted," not systemic. This explains why people are complaining less about tariffs now.
— Tom BarkinData centers' tax base buys no political goodwill
Local residents resent data centers because, unlike factories, they don't bring workers' kids to play sports with local children; the tax base benefits touted by economic developers lack political resonance. Barkin joked that they should name an elementary school after Microsoft or Google to win hearts. He admitted he doesn't know how large data centers will become; AI footprint, data center footprint, and energy demand could all be significantly under- or overestimated. If political backlash leads to underbuilding, it will drag on growth; if overbuilding, it will add to inflation. This is an uncertainty not yet incorporated into the policy framework.
— Tom BarkinAI could be inflationary or deflationary—don't bet early
On whether AI brings a productivity boom and raises the neutral rate R-star, Barkin is cautious. He says the AI path one, two, or three years out has an "extremely wide range," and could manifest as inflation or deflation, with 18 versions in between. Until there is enough confidence, policy cannot be based on assumptions. He also responded to Warsh's view: different AI model projections point to completely opposite rate directions. Therefore, he hinted the Fed should wait for data rather than put AI productivity into the dot plot ahead of time. This is a warning for those betting on a higher R-star.
— Tom BarkinIn their own words · checked verbatim
And I'm not saying inflation is definitely heading in the wrong direction. It's just not in the right place.
Tom Barkin2:04
So people are finding ways to effectively borrow from the future, savings rates down.
Tom Barkin5:08
I don't think it's ridiculous to imagine that 10 years later you might have a bunch of factors that would bring inflation up.
Tom Barkin12:12
And if what's happening is that picture is swamping the narrative, then we're going to think differently about the picture.
Tom Barkin15:16
Well, I'm definitely 100% insistent on getting inflation under control.
Tom Barkin16:17
Those big box retailers, they're truly our strongest soldiers in the fight against inflation, holding the line on prices on behalf of the customer.
Tom Barkin20:23
I think the anecdote doesn't, everyone likes a good story, but it doesn't really move policy.
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Figures
| AI-related capex announced in one week | $700 billion (early February 2025) | 6:08 |
| Months inflation has been above target | 65 months | 16:17 |
| Inflation reading in March 2025 | 2.3%-2.4% | 17:20 |
| Car loan delinquency days (consumers prioritize repayment) | 60 days instead of 120 | 4:06 |
Glossary
- SEP
- The Federal Reserve's quarterly economic and rate projections document, of which the dot plot is a part.
- dot plot
- The Fed officials' anonymous scatter plot of future rate projections, often misread by markets as a commitment.
- R-star
- The neutral rate of interest that neither overheats nor cools the economy; rising AI productivity could push it higher.
- forward guidance
- Central bank communication about the likely future path of policy.
- private label
- Retailer-owned brands, typically cheaper, which see sales growth during trade-downs.
How to listen
Investors, macro traders, and Fed watchers who want to understand how US consumer resilience and AI investment affect inflation and the rate outlook.
You can skip the last two minutes of program promotion and Mount Airy chit-chat; Barkin's main content has no repetition.