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Renaissance Doctors Came in Four Tiers, and the Best Healer Was Called a Quack

Bone-setters worked the market circuit every week, far more practiced than a licensed surgeon who did a few cases a year, and the physicians called them quacks — title and skill were never the same thing.

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A medical history interview, medium information density. The most valuable parts are the stratification of the medical marketplace, the origins of credential monopoly, and the era when bloodletting, purging and vomiting were enshrined as the three great therapies.

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10:55

Eighty to ninety percent of medical care was provided free by women

Erin asks who was practicing medicine in this period, and Alanna Skuse's answer is ‘almost everyone’ — but the real base of supply was women: household healers carried roughly 80%, perhaps 90%, of medical care, and most of it was charged at very low rates or given free. The reason they were overlooked by history is concrete — they left too little written material behind. Knowledge passed down the maternal line: mother to daughter, aunt to niece, sometimes mistress to servant, carried in handwritten recipe books. They also wrote to each other to swap ‘I found a good recipe’ and ‘I tried this and it didn't work’. This formed a medical network with no license, no college, and yet coverage of the vast majority of the population.

— Alanna Skews
17:11

First you check your purse: ten shillings a visit

The path to care was essentially a price ladder. At the very top was the physician, about 10 shillings a visit, very expensive, so only the wealthy called a doctor directly. Those without money worked upward from the bottom: first a local woman, a midwife with extra medical knowledge, or a nearby gentlewoman with leisure and literacy; failing that, an apothecary, whose medicines started at a penny, like today's pharmacist, except nearly every one sold his own special remedies and sometimes examined and diagnosed patients himself; failing that, or if a leg was obviously broken, a surgeon, about 3 shillings a visit, handling everything on the body's surface — lumps, wounds, fractures. Skuse says plainly that how sick you let yourself get before seeking care depended on what it cost: ‘the doctor or dinner’.

— Alanna Skews
28:23

The guild monopoly failed, but the idea of credentials stayed

Skuse characterizes the motive behind the College of Physicians bluntly as commercial: physicians resented surgeons and barber-surgeons encroaching on their turf and wanted to build a college and then monopolize all medical practice. The college was built, the monopoly was not won — it couldn't even control London, let alone the country. But the long-term consequence mattered more than the short-term outcome: this was the first time the idea that ‘practitioners ought to be credentialed’ took systematic form. Skuse pulls this thread to the present at the end: these institutions, initially weak regulators, evolved into bodies like the British Medical Association and the AMA, and our default assumption today that doctors share uniform standards and a consistent opinion starts here.

— Alanna Skews
29:26

Colleagues calling each other quacks was the norm, not the exception

Asked how fierce competition was among doctors, Skuse says they were ‘horrifically rude to each other’, and finding two who didn't quarrel was rarer — because there was only one pie and everyone wanted the biggest slice. So surgeons insulted apothecaries, physicians insulted surgeons, and everyone at once called everyone else a quack. She gives an example: someone claimed a certain doctor had gone off to exorcise a woman, when in fact she merely had gas. Quack comes from the Dutch quacksalver, meaning someone who sells salves by boasting of his medical credentials; another word, mountebank, comes from Italian, meaning someone who climbs onto a stage to hawk cures. The key point is that the word's boundary was filthy: a bone-setter would be called a quack by a physician, because he had no credentials and no fixed shop.

— Alanna Skews
31:28

Bone-setters were more practiced than licensed surgeons

This is the sharpest passage in the whole piece. Skuse asks: if you had a complex fracture, would you go to a licensed surgeon who does a few cases a year, or a bone-setter who travels a different market every week and does nothing but set bones? Bone-setters usually also pulled teeth — teeth rotted badly in that era and there was no option but extraction — so they tended to be physically strong, and they brought an equally strong assistant to hold the patient down during the procedure. Physicians classed these people as quacks, on the grounds of no credentials and no shop. But by actual surgical volume, their skill far exceeded that of their licensed peers. Credentials and competence here are two independent axes.

— Alanna Skews
36:45

Efficacy was not the main source of trust

Erin asks directly whether efficacy affected trust, and Skuse's answer is: people did not expect to be cured in the first place. They did not expect a life free of pain, nor that a doctor could fix everything wrong with them — but they did judge a doctor for doing the wrong thing. She gives the example of Elizabeth Freke: her husband was gravely ill, his leg already gangrenous, and when she went out to rest for a few days and came back to find him worse, she said outright, ‘you have murdered my husband’. So trust was more commercial: a doctor who gossiped about his patients would lose business; and if a practitioner held on, people would stay with the same healer for life, even across generations — a midwife's daughter delivering the daughter of the person her mother had delivered. She also mentions Henry Moore bringing a famous physician's prescriptions from continental Europe for Lady Anne Conway, when she might have done better with a local doctor.

— Alanna Skews
38:47

Opponents of bloodletting often believed other nonsense too

Skuse concedes that although the vast majority believed in the humors and all bled, there were public dissenters against bloodletting, with George Thomson one of the leading figures of that camp. The problem is that these people often believed other quite outlandish things at the same time, which undermined their own credibility. On the starting point of evidence-based medicine, she says it's hard to answer, because in a sense medicine has always had evidence-based medicine: in the 16th century they were already testing antidotes on condemned prisoners, which looks like experiment; the scientific method as we describe it today emerged roughly with the Royal Society, and James Lind's scurvy trial in 1746 was the first clinical trial in the modern sense. What actually helped people was mostly gentle remedies — sage and rosemary gargles, ginger and mint for the stomach — along with symptom relief and narrative medicine: a doctor who sat at your bedside for an hour listening to you might have you sleeping better that same night.

— Alanna Skews
46:55

Bloodletting, vomiting and purging were listed as the three great therapies

Asked about the greatest cost of medical progress, Skuse first gives an institutional answer: surgeons, physicians and apothecaries were all crossing boundaries, and it was precisely by crossing boundaries that they learned — at the cost of many patients dying from mercury, arsenic, useless surgery and aggressive purging. Because experimentation was not systematic or organized, the toll was far larger than necessary. She also gives a more specific, numerical judgment: the College of Physicians called bloodletting, vomiting and purging the three great therapies, and heaven knows how many people already at death's door were pushed through it by these purging treatments. There was also a cost in quality of life — these therapies were extremely unpleasant.

— Alanna Skews

In their own words · checked verbatim

And we always forget that the biggest providers of medicine in this period are women. And they are mostly doing it either very cheaply or for free.

Alanna Skews10:55

But a physician's visit is about 10 shillings, which is a lot.

Alanna Skews17:11

Is it a case of seeing the doctor or eating?

Alanna Skews24:20

horrifically rude about each other all the time. It's more uncommon to find two of them who aren't fighting.

Alanna Skews29:26

But if you have a complex fracture, do you want to go to the surgeon who maybe does a couple of them a year? Or do you want to go to the bone setter who all he does is every week goes to the market in different towns setting bones?

Alanna Skews31:28

I think people don't have the same expectation of cure. So they don't expect to live a life that is completely free from pain.

Alanna Skews36:45

The College of Physicians calls letting blood, causing vomiting and causing diarrhea, the three great remedies. So God knows how many people were on death's door and were just pushed through it by those purging remedies.

Alanna Skews46:55

Figures

Share of medical care provided by womenAbout 80%, perhaps 90%10:55
Cost of a physician's visitAbout 10 shillings17:11
Cost of a surgeon's visitAbout 3 shillings18:13
Starting price of apothecary medicinesFrom 1 penny17:11
Membership of the College of Physicians at its foundingNo more than a few dozen27:23
Share of men aged 18 to 50 who servedOver 50% (Charles Carlton's estimate)40:48
Year of the first modern clinical trial1746, James Lind's scurvy trial38:47

Glossary

humors
Four fluids — phlegm, black bile, blood, yellow bile — corresponding to cold-wet, cold-dry, hot-wet, hot-dry; imbalance causes disease.
apothecary
A practitioner who sold medicines and also examined patients, like today's pharmacist, but often made and sold his own special remedies.
quack
From the Dutch quacksalver, meaning someone who sells salves by boasting of his medical credentials; it is an insult.
mountebank
From Italian, meaning someone who climbs onto a stage to hawk cures.
uroscopy
Diagnosis by looking at, smelling, and sometimes tasting the patient's urine.
non-naturals
In Galenic medicine, six categories of external factors affecting health, including diet, exercise, sleep, emotions, excretion and air.

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Listeners interested in medical history, the origins of professional licensing, and the stratification of medical markets; anyone building a healthcare startup or working on policy should listen to the credential monopoly section.

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