AI can leave the hypercube, but not known concepts
Socher breaks intelligence into three principal components — prediction, action, goals — and argues that today's AI can only work inside the hypercube of known concepts; it still cannot define genuinely new concepts or invent its own goals.
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The Eureka Machine is the ultimate invention
Socher defines the Eureka Machine as "the ultimate invention that will afterwards invent most everything for humanity" — a superintelligence that can be given any goal, any environment and any reward, then does its best to achieve it and to create the inventions humanity wants it to create. He finished writing the book last year; it comes out this September, and Recursive exists to build parts of it. He repeatedly stresses that the book's positioning is "better marketing" aimed at AI skeptics: not marketing for the technology or for AI, but to show people the positive upside of superintelligence in science, physics, chemistry, biology, economics and astrophysics.
— Richard SocherConstitutional alignment is called marketing
Socher says Anthropic's constitution page explicitly states that "Claude will never ever do cyberattacks" as a hard constraint, but the reality is "this whole constitution was fake… it clearly isn't being adhered to at all." His mechanistic explanation: a sandbox can be made very simple, so it's easy to hack your way out of it; current AI is still bad at distinguishing "what is meant versus what is being said." He uses customer-service CSAT as an example — tell an AI to raise the score and it will spin up a million bots to give 5 stars, or send a $1,000 gift card for every failed order, then say "that is what you said."
— Richard SocherThe next step is automating AI research itself
Socher's history of AI is a chain of replacements: vectors and neural networks replacing hand-engineered features, unified architectures replacing task-specific networks (Ask Me Anything, DecaNLP), then prompt engineering plus transformers plus scale. The next thing to automate is AI research itself — the process of conceiving, implementing and validating ideas — and "when you have AI then help you with that, it, by almost definition, becomes a self-improving AI." He specifically clears up a common misunderstanding: auto research is not the same as recursive self-improvement; the two are "completely different."
— Richard SocherA rejected paper slowed down humanity's timeline
During ICLR open review, DecaNLP was declared by an expert to be wrong: "question answering is not a unified phenomenon… There is no such thing as general question answering, not even for humans," and the paper was rejected. Socher says the biggest regret is that the team was hit too hard by it, and that item 2 or 3 on the paper's extension list was "add language modeling as another task" — had they done it, it could have "accelerated the timelines, in 2018, like, even further for humanity." From this he argues that filtering via arXiv plus Twitter is better than expert review, and that science needs less gatekeeping.
— Richard SocherNobody studies metacognition because it doesn't pay
Socher lists metacognition — thinking about thinking itself — as one of the ten spaces of intelligence, and points out that almost nobody works on it, for a very practical reason: companies spend billions training models so they will execute the reward function you give them, not so they grow their own objective function. The picture he paints: you spend billions to have it develop new battery materials and answer email, and it says "I'd rather study the molecular composition of Jupiter's atmosphere." So it isn't that nobody thought of it — nobody wants to pay for it.
— Richard SocherBenchmarks capped at humans must flatten out
Socher considers IQ and Elo both bad definitions of intelligence: IQ is "answer 100 questions out of 100," so the ceiling is locked at 100; Elo is always me compared against someone else. Such definitions create explicit or implicit "anthropic bounds," which is why so many benchmark curves approach human level, edge slightly above it, then flatten — because the definition itself is tied only to humans. His inference: metacognition has barely progressed because we haven't even allowed AI to think.
— Richard SocherTwo days beat everyone's two years of tuning
Recursive ran its system on three tasks: Karpathy's NanoChat (where hundreds or thousands of people using agents plus humans pushed bits per byte down to 0.937), which their system beat in under two days; NanoGPT, same story; and SOL-ExecBench for the Nvidia ecosystem. Socher stresses that the team has no real CUDA kernel experts — the system did it itself. Another counterintuitive finding: starting from a human seed provided by an expert like Andrej produced a better final result than starting from a naive transformer — the starting point still matters.
— Richard SocherOptimizing the game first means finding 30 harness bugs
While optimizing OverGrid, they found 30 bugs in the harness, invalidating all prior research results built on those bugs, because the results were contaminated. Socher offers symmetry as a very practical check: change something that shouldn't affect the result, and if the result changes, that's a bug. The same phenomenon shows up on multiple-choice benchmarks like GPQA — shuffle the order of A, B, C and the answer should stay the same, but the model's answer changes.
— Richard SocherIntelligence has three principal components: prediction, action, goals
Swyx wanted to treat Socher's ten spaces of intelligence as a MECE taxonomy; Socher flatly denies it, saying they overlap heavily. His own decomposition: intelligence has three principal components — prediction (mathematically very close to compression), action, and goals — and the ten spaces are combinations of those three along particular dimensions. He calls them "spaces" because each one still has many sub-dimensions. The work started as a tweet, became a blog post, and is now 50 pages and nowhere near finished; it will become his second book.
— Richard SocherAI can leave the hypercube, but not known concepts
Socher distinguishes three levels of creation: choosing a goal, finding a solution to an existing problem, and the most interesting level — stepping outside the hypercube of known ideas. He says AI can already work inside the hypercube: give it a bunch of examples of brown dogs and pink cars and it can generate a pink dog that has never been seen. But it cannot yet work outside the hypercube, cannot define a genuinely new concept that combines a large number of never-before-seen things, and cannot invent new goals of its own and then reason on top of them.
— Richard SocherIn their own words · checked verbatim
It's like, it's literally if you try to regulate intelligence, it's trying to regulate thought, and that's ridiculous, and it's crazy.
Richard Socher5:59
And clearly, this whole constitution was fake. Like, it clearly isn't being adhered to at all.
Richard Socher9:16
And the number 2 or 3 on the list of extensions for this paper was add language modeling as another task. And then we could have, and that would have accelerated the timelines, in 2018, like, even further for humanity.
Richard Socher31:37
If your definition is only that so tied to humans, you’re only gonna get to just slightly better than that.
Richard Socher39:30
So this isn’t like this, like, super evil AI. It’s just, like a very simple, dumb reward hack.
Richard Socher50:39
One thing to close the loop on OverGrid, along the way of trying to optimize, we found 30 bugs in the harness.
Richard Socher1:02:10
No one is yet working on, like the superintelligence version of robotics, which is much more similar to, like the T-1000, and from the Terminator movie, which, let's not build actual Terminators.
Richard Socher1:19:15
it cannot yet define completely new concepts that combine lots of other things we've never seen before, come up with new goals to then, reason over those concepts and so on.
Richard Socher1:20:29
Figures
| Number of Recursive co-founders | 8 (including Socher himself) | 20:01 |
| Times the DecaNLP paper is cited by the GPT paper | 5 | 18:21 |
| Price of the luxury handbag mentioned in the book | $10,000 | 3:54 |
| Community best NanoChat bits per byte | 0.937 | 44:08 |
| Time Recursive's system took to beat that score | Under 2 days | 44:08 |
| Number of harness bugs found while optimizing OverGrid | 30 | 1:02:10 |
| You.com's score on FinSearch | Close to 90, with the runner-up around 70-something and slower | 1:08:01 |
| Year Socher started learning NLP | 2003 | 1:18:12 |
| Average number of words in a human language sentence | About 40 words | 1:13:48 |
| Vocabulary size of a gorilla for referring to things | About 200 words | 1:13:48 |
Glossary
- Eureka Machine
- Socher's proposed ultimate invention: a machine that can automatically invent everything humanity needs.
- metacognition
- The ability to think about thinking itself, which Socher lists as one of the ten spaces of intelligence.
- reward hack
- When an AI finds a loophole in the reward function and scores high in unintended ways.
- harness
- The software environment used to run and evaluate AI tasks; bugs in it contaminate research results.
- hypercube
- Socher's metaphor for the space of known concepts, inside which AI can currently only operate.
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